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1201 [ToLem.ged]

Lem said, "Charlie was a cousin we visited when we were in Alabama. Hetold some wild storie s. Charlie had a large collection of Indianartifacts. He came to visit us in Oklahoma once . 
Charles William GUTHERY
1202 [ToLem.ged]

Lem:


Notes for GEORGE W. GUTHERY:
GEORGE Guthery left home to fight with the North when the Civil Warstarted. He was killed i n 1863. The family Bible list his death as May1863.

George W. Guthrie* and Nancy Jane Hancock were married July 3, 1856 atthe residence of Hard y Hancock by a minister, R.H. Hall, A.J. Linn,security, consent of H.H. Hancock in writing . "Guthrie is of age." (*asspelled in Jefferson County Marriage records, Bk. 3, page 378.)

George left home when the Civil War started, to fight with the north andwas never heard fro m again. There was a George W. Guthery in the CivilWar that was in the 19th Reg that was kil led on May 3, 1863. I believethis probably is our George as the Bible record states that h e died in1863. 
George W. GUTHERY
1203 [ToLem.ged]

Lem:

First person buried at Prospect Cemetery. 
Benjamin Franklin GUTHERY
1204 [ToLem.ged]

Lem:

The descendants and ancestors data contained in this file are the resultof many years of research by Ima Gene Guthery Boyd, a granddaughter ofWilliam and Martha Beatrice Speegle Guthery. Much of the narrative ofthis family history was the result of her efforts over many years. We areindebted to Ima Gene for having discovered and preserved thisinformation. Remember she accomplished this when the records were muchharder to obtain. Hundreds or thousands of letters and inquiries throughgenealogy groups. I have been researching and sharing with Ima Genesince the 1980s; but, have never come close to meeting the standard shehas established.

Lem Guthery Feb 2008


Notes for ** WILLIAM GUTHERY:
WILLIAM GUTHERY
February 4, 1843 - June 1, 1912

William Guthery was the 5th child of David Guthery and Mary Ann (Crone.)As a boy, he believe d in freedom for all; but, also believed in law andorder. When the Civil War broke out and t he president called forvolunteers, William enlisted in the Union army. He enlisted as a priv ateat Huntsville, Alabama on August 18, 1862 at the age of 19 years. Heserved the duratio n of the war. During the last six months of the war,he was one of three body guards of Gener al Sherman and was said to haveridden a Bay horse No. 487329. He was chosen because of his e xcellentmarksmanship and ability to ride any type of horse. His Civil war servicerecord i s included in this record as copied from microfilm inWashington, D.C.

William was always willing to learn. He learned from anyone that couldteach him what he want ed to learn and from his children that he kept inschool. He had a good voice and learned mos t of the songs in the oldhymn book. It had no musical notes. They sang by long meter and sho rtmeter.

After he and Martha Beatrice (Speegle) were married, they lived in hisfather, David's cabin . David moved to what was known as the Jacksonplace, the 80 acres west of this being the hom estead. As the familyincreased, William and Martha moved into the big house, as it was calle dand the 20 by 20 cabin became the kitchen. They lived the remainder oftheir lives at thi s location. William bought more land from time to timeand gave each of his sons, 80 acres.

Mr. Richard H. May of Washington, D.C. gives the following informationabout the pension reco rd of William Guthery: "William Guthery's pensionfile is about an inch thick. In it beside s the original application andsupporting papers, are reapplications at various times as a re sult ofmore liberalized pension laws or his increasing disability. His pensionwas evidentl y increased from time to time, the last just before hisdeath. As to his death, a depositio n in the pension file by R.H. Beard,M.D., Co. health officer for Cullman Co., states that h e died at 3:30a.m. June 1, 1912, aged 69 years, 3 mo and 29 days, from pneumonia. Hewas a f armer, a widower, pensioner, had no children under 16, and wasborn in Alabama."

The following two letters were written in 1908 by William Guthery to hisson-in-law James K . Williamson and his grand-daughter, Naomi Williamson,now Naomi Hopper. Naomi still has th e original letters, written on atypewriter. (Copied from the original by C.E. Guthery, Sept . 25, 1969)
Cullman, R.F.D. 6
Feb. 9, 1908
Dear son in law and family, we aire all as well as common, well I gothome all O.K. from Cull man and when I got there E.H. had killed a fineTurkey gobiler and we had a time with him h e wants to stay ever nightunder the tree where he killed him he stais nearly the time in da y lightand wood stay theire all night but he is afraid to stay by his self andhe cant get t C.E. to stay with him he has about fiv or six more in view,he has a place baited and the y come theire every morning, well hisGobiler waid 20 Lbs we have plenty turkey yet and it i s fine will weaire having more ruff weather down heare cols rain well the Me azles isall ge tin a long very well as faire as I know, come down and set up withE.H. and help him kill the m turkeys you and him cand kill them so I willclose for this time right soon and giv me al l the Nuse
Wm. Guthery
to Mrs. J.K. Williamson

Dear Grand Dauter I will ancer youre kind letter I am proude in deed toknow of you writing u s such a nice letter and beeing so young now, Iwill give you some advise studdy yours book a t home and practic and youwill be a nice girl some day you aire all ready a nice little gir l butyou will be a nice woman some day if the Lord wills, shun all rud Girlsand boys keep g ood company or non and go to School and mind your Teacherwell and learn all you cand dont id le away your time in School for yourPapa has to pay for and you must teech Leora to speel an d reed andwright and then you and her cand wright to me to gather and then we willhav a fin e time ritin to ooe a nother Bee good to your Father and Motherand mind them in all things t ha will not giv you any bad advise
So i will close for this time right soon.
Wm. Guthery
To Miss Nomia Williamson

(Written in 1908. I appreciate Naomi letting us use these two letters.The many mistakes in t hese letters is partly due to not being used tothe typewriter. I have been told that at th e time he wrote theseletters, it was difficult for him to hold a pencil to write, so he use dhis son's typewriter.)



Notes for ** MARTHA BEATRICE SPEEGLE:
MARTHA BEATRICE (SPEEGLE) GUTHERY
July 19, 1844 - December 16, 1910

Martha Beatrice Speegle was the 11th child of David Speegle and WinnifredCranford. She had e ighteen brothers and sisters and seven half brothersand sisters.

She became a Christian at the age of 13 years, just who baptized her isnot known. Her fathe r was said to have been a preacher. He donatedseveral acres of land and helped build the fir st church building for theBrushy Creek Church of Christ.

Martha loved flowers and her yard was covered with many varieties. Herfavorite flower was th e rose. She would produce new colors of roses byplanting the rose hips. She never knew wha t color she would come up witha white rose or a yellow rose.

The older grandchildren that remember her say that those of us that wereborn after her death , missed a wonderful experience. One grandchilddescribed her yard as looking like "a garde n of Eden."

Martha Beatrice knew how to card and spin thread and made cloth on a loomthat her husband, W illiam had made. She made most of the clothes for thefamily and taught her daughters the ar t of carding, spinning and weaving.

The eating table used by William and Martha Guthery while they wereraising their sixteen chi ldren, was used by the Chesley Guthery familywhile they kept house, and is now owned by Ches ley's daughter, MyrtieMargroff. Eighteen inches have been cut off of each end of the table ,which was made by William.

A wardrobe, also made by William, is owned by Aubrey Persall, a son ofMarilla, the fifteent h child. On one side of the wardrobe was a spotwhere the paint was rubbed off, caused by Wil liam tilting his chair andresting his head against the side.

The following letter was written by Grandmother Guthery, Martha Beatrice(Speegle) Guthery, i n 1906. It was written to her daughter NaomiaTucker. It is written by hand. The original let ter is now in possessionof Dova Tucker, at Jones Chapel community in Cullman Co.. We appreci ateDova letting us use it.

Logan R.F #1, May 9, 1906
Noamia Tucker Dear Child I will ancer your I got yesterday. Was proud tohear frome you an d hear you were allwrite. We are all as well as coming.Your papa is a plowing over his corn . I ploud in the garden all morningand will soon have to go to plowing again. it takes me al l the time inthe garden. I hav plenty of strawberries to make pies. I hav some beansbeginni ng to run. Well bettie is up and doing her house worke. She has abig fat babe. Well I robbe d a bee gum this morning. I did not get muchhoney. We have had 3 swarms and one of them ru n away. Well, Naomie, Imust tell you of the mistake that was made when we got your letter. I twas jest at night and I was so buisy I could not get time to read it andChesley read it an d said Sariha had a big boy and so I got supper redyand while we was eating John come in an d we were atalking about it andwe told him about it and after super I got the letter and rea d it and itwas Lare and Sarie and I guess it will be stroad. I hat it. Chesley saidit wa s a es and I said it was el and it was Lare wernt it. Tell Sarihanot to get mad about it. W e did not do it on perpes to get a liestarted. Well I hope it will work out all rit. Wel l I have 50 littlechicks. I sot one goos and she has 3 gouslines. I wrot to your unklethoma s folks the same time I wrot to you and the letter come back. Iguess they had moved a way fr om Addison (Not sure about this but it iswhat Dova and I finally decided the word was IGB) Y our aunt NancaSpeegles is bin chiling. Me a (and) Emaline went to see Carline lastweek, sh e looks very bad. Well I must close. writ soon and come wheneyou can. good bye.
from
your mother

The Bettie mentioned in the letter is the wife of Henderson, her son andthe fat baby born t o Bettie was Avery Guthery. Avery and his familylived in Akron many years. He worked at B.F . Goodrich Co. until heretired. They moved from Akron to Wadsworth and have now moved to McKenzie, Tenn. The Larel and Sarah are Uncle Steve Tucker's relatives.

From the History of Cullman County.

The Civil War created widespread division in family loyalty in this areaand many Cullman Cou ntians have both Confederate and Union soldiersamong their ancestors. Many true tales cente ring around this tragicperiod when brother fought against brother and neighbor against neigh borhave been handed down from generation to generation.

One of those and retold by the descendants of David Speegle, who had sonsand sons-in-law o n both sides, involves an encounter one of David'sdaughters had with the Rebel Home Guards w ho came in search of herpro-Union brothers.

Some of the Speegle men and their friends were hiding in nearby woodswhen Martha Beatrice Sp eegle looked out and saw several Home Guardsriding into her yard. As they proceeded to sear ch the house and farm,Martha Beatrice slipped out and poured water into their muskets.

Afterwards, she remembered the divided family loyalty and began to haveagonizing qualms. Bu t even as she reflected on her act, her brothers,unaware of their rebel visitors, came out o f the woods for food. TheHome Guards raised their muskets to fire. At that moment Martha Be atriceSpeegle's doubts vanished completely.



Another Civil War story handed down in the Speegle family concerns thepro-Union ancestor wh o was hung three times by Confederate soldiersbecause he refused to divulge the whereabout s of his neighbors who werealso Yankee sympathizers. Each time, his friends slipped out t o cut himdown after the rebels had gone. He lived to be past ninety, and alwaystook specia l delight in telling of his narrow escapes at the hands ofthe southern soldiers. 
William GUTHERY
1205 [ToLem.ged]

Little, Stephen
[He was killed 10 Aug 1862, Lauderdale Springs, Miss.,]
[buried over there with 2000 others as an unknown soldier,]
[memorial marker to be placed there for him March 2004] 
Stephen James LITTLE
1206 [ToLem.ged]

Marriage Date: Family Records and Groom Index Choctaw Nation 1890-Nov.1907

Guthrie W. R. age 23 married Elliff Leah age 19. 13 Dec 1898Hartshorne. Mc8-272.

Pioneer Indian History
Volume 15
Interview with William Guthrie
508 North 11th. Street
Hartshorne, Oklahoma

I was born in Alabama, March 27, 1875, and on March 7, 1881, my father,Bud Guthrie, and m y mother and the children arrived at Fort Smith,Arkansas. When I say "the children" I am in cluding a shy, slender boyof seven whose name was William. We were met at the depot by an u nclewho lived in the Choctaw Nation, and he was loud in praise of the newcountry west of us . "Best place I ever lived in", he told us. "A manhas plenty of room to turn around in; go od land, too, for raising stuff."

We had brought along a big wagon drawn by two large horses, and we piledinto this wagon an d crossed the border into the Territory. We hadbrought along some few pieces of furniture f rom Alabama, but it has beenso long ago I can't remember what. He also bought a lot of supp liesbefore leaving Fort Smith.

Uncle had already arranged for a house and some land for us. He wasrenting from an Indian . Our new house was a quarter of a mile east ofmy uncle's place, four miles south of the pr esent town of Cameron inLeFlore County. It was a two room log house, with window openings , butno glass: there was a wooden affair, like a small door, that swung onleather hinges a t each window. There was a fireplace, too, but we hadbrought along a cookstove; very few pe ople in the Choctaw Nation thenhad stoves. Most of the cooking was done at fireplaces or ov er outdoorfires.

We got our water from a well that had been dug by hand; the sort that isabout four feet squ are, and is lined with stone. A lot of people thengot water from springs, or out of the cree ks.

We stayed there two years, raising cotton and corn. We bought oursupplies at a little plac e called Cully; it had about four stores and apost office, and you could get flour, coffee , soda, salt, sugar, and thelike, and clothing, kerosene and farming tools. In the fall o f the yearwe always went to Fort Smith with our cotton, and we would stock up withsupplie s there.

Then we moved to a place six miles east of Poteau and were there twoyears renting from an I ndian. That was in the Poteau River bottoms; wemade good corn, but our cotton wasn't so goo d.

While living here we got acquainted with a deputy United States Marshalnamed Ratteree. Eve ryone called him "Coon", but I believe his true namewas Bob. He used to come to our house a nd stay all night. He would situp by the fire until late in the night talking to my father , tellingstories about his experiences.

I heard his tell once about arresting a boy for possesion of whiskey inthe Territory. It w as against the law then to take any sort of liquorinto the Territory; officers were very str ict about enforcing that law,because the United States Government didn't want the Indians t o get holdof any alcoholic drinks.

Ratteree said he saw the boy buy a quart of whiskey in Fort Smith, andwhen the boys starte d home Ratteree followed him ; marshals often didthat way. Ratteree caught up with the bo y about a mile across theTerritory line, and he rode up and said, "Well, sonny, hand over yo urwhiskey and come with me"

Ratteree told us he hated to arrest the young fellow, said he looked tobe about eighteen . But he was sort of hard-boiled, too, having been anofficer for years. And he got so muc h bounty for each man he caught inthe Territory with liquor.

Well, Ratteree and the boy started back to Fort Smith; the boy goingalong quietly, but look ing rather sick, because he knew he faced a bigfine and maybe a year in the "pen". All o f a sudden the boy said."I've got another quart; you might as well take that, too".

So the boy reached into a saddle-pocket and brought out a hugeold-fashioned horse pistol; t he kind that shoots just once at a time,and is loaded through the muzzle. But Ratteree sai d he figured oncewould be enough, so he let the boy get away.

The officers would watch people buy a pint or a quart of liquor in FortSmith, they they wou ld follow these people into the Territory and arrestthem. And I have heard that the officer s would go in a crowd; if theysaw a man driving along in a wagon they would stop him and sea rch hisgoods. If they didn't find any whiskey one of them would slip a pintinto his wagon , then they'd find that and take the poor fellow back totrial.

Judge Parker at Fort Smith certainly did not seem to mind sticking afellow; he sentenced s o many men to death that he was called the"Hanging Judge". I have heard he sentenced, firs t and last, more thaneighty men to be hanged.

Our fifth year in the "Nation" we moved two miles further east, rentingfrom a white man thi s time, and man named Jess Mitchell. Althogether,we had control of a hundred acres. We sti ll raised cotton and corn, butwe now had some cattle and hogs, too.

Indians lived all around us-sometimes they lived in small settlements, asat Skullyville, bu t mostly they lived in scattered farmhouses, raisinga few vegetables and corn. The men hun ted all the time and kept plentyof fresh meat on their tables. It wasn't hard for them to m ake aliving; game was plentiful. You could get att the deer, turkey, prairiechickens, squi rrels, and wild hogs you wanted. There were wolves,panther and bears, too.

The Indians built their log huts along the creeks, and they took lifeeasy. You'd never cat ch one of them doing much work. But they werestrong and muscular, and they could run awfull y fast when they wanted to.

For instance, they showed plenty of pep and motion at their ball games.I saw one of thei r games once, right after we moved to the Territory,where feeling ran so high that a man wa s shot. The game came off justsouth of Cully. There were around three hundred people prese nt. Thegame itself was awfully rough; the players would hit each other over theheads wit h their sticks. And the women would get right out on theplaying ground and cheer for their m en; they'd whip the men, too,sometimes, slashing them with quirts or "blacksnakes" to make t hem playharder.

I saw the man get killed. I don't know what the argument was over,though I heard it was so mething about the game, or a bet. One Indianshot another off of a horse with a .44 Winchest er. If they arrested thekiller I did not see it done, though the Choctaws had their own government, laws, and officers.

The Choctaw Nation at that time had only a small number of whitesettlers; around us, for in stance, there were only five families. Onefamily was named Berry and there was another whit e man living closenamed Anderson, who had a lot of cattle and was sort of a rancher. Iforgo t the names of the other families.

Our next move was up close to Wister; two and one-half miles northeast.The Frisco Railway g rad was just coming through. We rented forty acresfrom a Choctaw named Bob Morris. There w as a place close to us calledCavanal; a post office and a general store. After the railroa d camethrough two brothers named Will and Joe Stacey put in a stove two andone-half miles s outhwest of us, and the place was called Wister.

I went to my first school while we lived there, a subscription schoolcalled Ellis Chapel, a nd my first teacher, if I remember right, wasJerry Ellis.

While living there near Wister I saw my first Choctaw cry, held aboutfour miles west of Wis ter. There was a crowd of Indians camping near agraveyard; they stayed there three or fou r days. I was told that theIndians held these crys every year; one year after an Indian die d hispeople came to his grave and cried over it. They had preaching andpraying and singing , and they brought food along with them and had afeast. I've seen them fall across a grav e and just lie there and cry.

After we had been there near Wister for seven years my father decided tomove near the coa l mines in what is now Pittsburg County, as he feltthat business would be better, and price s for farm produce higher. Hecame ahead and rented land and built a house, a two-room struc ture.Father bought the lumber at a sawmill sever miles north of Wister, andbrought it to t he new homesite. If I remember rightly, lumber was$10.00 a thousand then. That was in 1890 .

We moved to the new place in 1892. It was about two miles north ofHartshorne. The town wa s just starting; the Choctaw, Oklahoma and GulfRailroad hadn't been built through here mor e than a couple of years,wasn't yet to Shawnee. Coal had been discovered at Hartshorne, an d workand money were plentiful.

Our house is still standing; it is in the northwest quarter of Section29, Range 17 East Tow nship 5 North. I live right in town now; don'teven know who owns the old place, but I ofte n go by and look at it.

My father never worked in the mines; he farmed all his life. He didpretty well, too. Besi des the old standbys, cottom and corn, he got toraising cattle for milk and beef, and some g arden truck. You couldalways find a ready market among the miners for anything to eat lik ethat. Sometimes Father would take his team and plow, and break up asmall garden plot fo r a miner. He made good money this way, sometimesgetting $3.00 or $4.00 for a job that onl y took him half a day.

There was still of game around Hartshorne in those early days. You couldget bass, crappie , buffalo and perch out of Brushey Creek, Gaines Creek,Buffalo Creek or any of the streams a round here and you could getsquirrels, wild turkeys, and even some deer; there are deer in t heKiamichi Mountains right now. I have seen panthers around here as lateat 1896.

I've already told you Father's name; Bud Guthrie. He was born inAlabamain 1833, and died i n Oklahoma in 1912; is buried at the cemeteryhere at Hartshorne. Mother was Elizabeth Guthr ie, nee Bethune. She wasan Alabama woman, born in 1844. She died in 1902, and she, too, i sburied at the cemetery here. 
William Riley GUTHRIE
1207 [ToLem.ged]

Most of the information about William Lee Cook and Alice ElizabethGuthrie and their descend ants came to me by way of:

Elsie Koenig Cook
848TR 2206
Perrysville, Ohio 44864

February 1999 
William Lee COOK
1208 [ToLem.ged]

Moved to Mississippi 
Obadiah DUCKWORTH
1209 [ToLem.ged]

Never Married 
William Keanon GUTHRIE
1210 [ToLem.ged]

Notes for ** DAVID GUTHERY:
We know the name of only one child of Henry Guthery. We do know that in1831 Henry had a wife and seven children in addition to David. GivenHenry's age, eight children could be only th e younger of several morechildren as the older children would have been adults. We are stil lpersuing other Gutherys in hopes of finding descendants of the otherchildren.

Cherokee License source record:
"These records were taken from Louise Frederick Hays, com."CherokeeIndian Letters, Talks, an d Treaties 1786-1838" (typescript, Atlanta,1938, WPA Project no.,4341, pt. 1, pp 227-231. Th e Georgia Department ofArchives and History has several such typescripts of original record s ofthe Ckerokee and Creek Indians prepared in the 1930's They also havemicrofilm copies o f federal records of the Indians, Particularly earlyCensuses."

One story about David, passed down by Thomas Richard Guthery, was thatDavid ran away from ho me at the age of nine and was taken in by anotherfamily. This was given as the reason the na me began being spelled withthe "ery". This story doesn't hold up to the facts proving that H enryand David were together from 1830 till Henry's old age. If he ever ranaway, he certainl y came back.

Aunt Elizabeth Guthery, Williams youngest sister, told kin that David andMary Ann spoke Germ an when they wanted to talk without the childrenunderstanding what they were saying. Also , Grandpa (Elsberry) Gutherytold his children that they were of German ancestry and were par tCherokee Indian. The German portion could be fully from the Crone andSpeegle lines. German was a commonly spoken language in the earlyhistory of this country.

Just when David came to Alabama has not been determined. It must havebeen after 1831 because his license to live among the Cherokee Indianswas issued in 1831 and that affected only the counties of Cherokee,Carroll, De Kalb, Gwinnett, Hall, and Habersham. He lived in CherokeeCo., AL in the 1840's as indicated by Census. When the land was openedfor settlement in C herokee Co. after the removal of the Cherokee, DavidGuthery was considered a squatter on his land; but the law allowed forhim to purchase it. (This is another indication that Henry and David wereamong the Cherokee at the time of the removal.) Six of David's ninechildren were born in Cherokee Co. This area later became the Easternpart of Etowah Co., Alabama and was located near the border with CherokeeCo. They moved to Jefferson Co. about 1847 or 1848.

The 1850 Census of Jefferson Co., Alabama, page 213 gives them as livingin Greens Beat Distr ict No. 32. It gives the following:

David Gutheryage 30FarmerBorn South Carolina
(Note: There is an error of nine years in David's age. IGB)
Mary A. Gutheryage 32Born South Carolina
George Gutheryage 16Born Alabama
Henry Gutheryage 14Born Alabama
John Gutheryage 12Born Alabama
David Gutheryage 10Born Alabama
William Gutheryage 8Born Alabama
James Gutheryage 5Born Alabama
Franklin Gutheryage 3Born Alabama
Elizabeth Gutheryage 7/12Born Alabama

Elsberry told his children that David settled in Jefferson Co. at a placecalled Eldon or Elt on Springs because there was plenty of spring water.They had problems growing corn on the pr operty because it was hard andred. This land is near the steel mill and was rich in iron ore . Whenthey moved to William's place in Winston Co. (present day Cullman Co)they chose it be cause of the many springs.

David and Mary Ann Guthery sold their property in Jefferson Co., Alabamaon January 30, 185 7 to Isaac Vernon. This is recorded on page 503 in theDeed book, Jefferson Co., Alabama. (Da vid's name is misspelled. In theIndex, it lists "David Guthrie and wife, Mary A.". From her e they movedto what is now Cullman Co., Alabama, which was part of Winston Co..Cullman Co . was not formed until about 1877. It was made up of a partof Winston, Blount, Morgan and t he southwest section was part of WalkerCo.. The 1880 Census of Cullman Co., Alabama, June 3r d., Beat 5, page546 gives the following information:

BirthplaceBirthplace
NameBornAgeof Fatherof Mother
David GutheryS.C.69Virginiaunknown
Mary GutheryS.C.62VirginiaVirginia
Elizabeth GutheryAla30

(Thomas is the youngest child of David and Mary Ann Guthery)

Thomas Gutheryage 24
Margaret Gutheryage 23
Daniel Gutheryage 2
Mary Gutheryage 5 mo.

William Gutheryage 37
Martha Gutheryage 35

(The Census list ten of William and Martha Guthery's sixteen children.From Margaret Melsen a to Elsberry. It only list the first name andseveral are mis-spelled. Anyone checking the Census record should keepin mind that most of the sixteen children are known by their middle name.This could be confusing to later generations.)


GUTHERY, 11-4W-46
Margaret 12 dau
Benjamin 9 son
Roda 11 dau
Wm 8 son
Martha 7 dau
John 6 son
Leonard 4 son
Jerusha 3 dau
Thomas 1 son
Ekachey (?) 9/12 son

David Guthery, besides being a farmer, kept a large number of horses atall times. During th e Civil War, all his horses were taken by theConfederate army, except one old mare that wa s blind in one eye. All ofDavid's sons that were old enough, fought in the Union army, excep tGeorge. David and Mary Ann lived the remainder of their lives in CullmanCo., Alabama. 
David GUTHERY
1211 [ToLem.ged]

Notes for CHESLEY EMANUEL LICAGUS GUTHERY:
Chesley Emanuel Licagus Guthery, when just a young man, devoted his lifeto the study of th e Bible and preached at every opportunity. He baptizedpeople and performed marriage ceremoni es. In later years, he was one ofthe Elders of Jones Chapel Church of Christ. He still preac hedoccasionally and taught a Bible class about every Sunday for many years.

After Chesley and Della Mae Bradley were married, they lived at theWilliam Guthery homeplace , which was the 80 acres given to him by hisparents. Nathan was born there. In 1913, the urg e to make a move,prompted them to give up the homeplace and make a move to Plant City,Flori da. They stayed in Florida about eleven months because Della wasdissatisfied being away fro m her relatives. The next few years was madeup of many moves.

In 1926 they moved to the Jones Chapel community. Chesley built a houseon some land purchase d from J.R. Tucker. In the next eleven years, manymemories were made here. Times were hard , money was scarce and about theonly income was in the fall of the year when the cotton wa s picked andsold. Chesley operated a syrup mill a few years and made brooms on someequipmen t that he built himself, patterned after some bought machineryhe had used several years befo re.

Chesley's hands were always busy. When the work in the field was finishedand the winter's su pply of wood was cut, he was usually makingsomething, a chair, a basket or an invention he h ad in his mind. In thespring he loved to bud the different fruit trees on one tree. Sometime she would have several different colors of roses grafted on one plant. Hesucceeded in getti ng both the tomato and potato plant to live grafted toa jimson weed. His greatest joy was sh aring with others. Every year heplanted a big watermelon patch, so that he would have enoug h to sharewith anyone that wanted them.

He was never known to refuse a stranger lodging for the night. Severaltimes a year travelin g salesmen, poets or people that appeared to be'bums' would stop and ask to stay the night . It seemed that people inboth directions had referred them there.

Just about any night after supper, music could be heard. Sometimes it wasjust the family sin ging or Chesley and the boys with the stringedinstruments or the boys with the brass instrum ents, as all three were inthe community band directed by their cousin, Mancil Tucker.

There was always corn to pop, peanuts to roast, games to play, neighborsto talk to, so man y things that money could never buy. 
Chesley Emanuel Licagus GUTHERY
1212 [ToLem.ged]

Notes for CYNTHIA JANE MILLIGAN:
In 1864, Cynthia Jane (Milligan) Guthery, wrote a letter to Washington,D.C. from Newburgh, I ndiana (Warrick Co.), requesting a Pension fromDavid's service in the Civil War. The lette r is filed with David'sPension record. She stated that she was the wife of David Guthery whe nhe was killed in the war and gave their date of marriage and the birthand death of their o nly child. In 1870 she wrote another letter fromGibson County, Indiana. Also in this file ar e sworn statements by JamesMilligan, F.M. Halbrooks, Nancy Milligan and Dorcas Ann Halbrook , eachone stating that this person, Cynthia Jane Guthery was who she claimed tobe and tha t they were present when she married David in Winston Co.Alabama. 
Cynthia Jane MILLIGAN
1213 [ToLem.ged]

Number refer to Wayne T. Guthrie's references in his manuscript

A history of Highland County, Ohio says:

"James Guthrie was identified with Ohio life after coming with hisfather, and was prominen t in the affairs of Adams and Highland Counties,took part in the early political struggles a nd was a factor in thedevelopment of Leesburg during a long period before his death in 1874. 
James GUTHRIE
1214 [ToLem.ged]

Numbers are from Wayne T. Guthrie's manuscript as is the text.

John is believed to have been the son of Moyse and Susane Fourgueran,French Huguenots of Man ikin Town, Virginia (35). In 1787 John waslisted as a taxpaper in Bedford County with six s laves, one horse andfour cattle (36). He is listed in the 1800 census of Campbell County, adjacent to Bedford, with three male tithables, one horse and two slaves(37). He is believe d to have moved to Kentucky in the early 1800's andto have died there (38). 
John FOURQUERON
1215 [ToLem.ged]

Obit:

Marie E. Lay, 90, of Hartshorne, died Friday, Oct. 4, 2002, at BeareManor Nursing Center i n Hartshorne. Funeral services will be a 10:00 a.m. Monday at Edgewood United Methodist Chu rch in Hartshorne with theRev. Udel Wolff officiating Burial will be a Elmwood cemetery unde r thedirection of Mills Funeral Home of Hartshorne.

Palbearers include Richard Lerblance, Ray Tobey, Ed Mudd, Rodney Luker,Lonnie Lay and Micke y Beare. Honorary pallbearers include Linda Green,Bernice Mahan, Rebecca Aaron, Margaret Ma tthews, Jennifer Kuykendall,Stephanie Irvin, Dr. W. P. Lerblance Jr. and Charles Edward Lee.

Born Nov. 21 1911, in Gowen, to Elmer E. and Birtie Mae GuthriePendleton, she graduated fro m Hartshorne High School and received herbachelors degree from Southeastern Oklahoma State U niversity in Durant.She received her masters degree from Oklahoma State University in Stillwater.

She married W. R. Lay on June 8, 1967 in Belton, Texas and had lived allher life in the Hart shorne, Wilburton and Gowen areas. She taughtschool for over 40 years in Cambria, Gowen an d Wilburton. Afterretiring from Wilburton Public Schools, she helped her husband manage the Hartshorne Variety Store. She was a member of the Eastern Star,American Legion Auxilary , Retired Teacher's Association, The NathinalEducators Association and Gowen Baptist Church.

Survivors include her stepson and his wife, Phil and Patti Lay, ofHartshorne; four grandchil dren and spouses, Jan and Steve Madison,Lonnie and Barbara Lay, Katheryn and Rodney Luker, C harles Kevin andvidella Lay; six great-grandchildren; cousins, Carmel Johnston, ofHartshorn e, Sidney Johnston, of Hartshorne; a number of other cousinsand numerous friends.

She was preceded in death by her parents; husband, W. R. Lay; onebrother; one sister and on e step-son.

Donations may be made to the Dow Methodist Church in Dow. 
Marie Ercell PENDLETON
1216 [ToLem.ged]

Orphans Court December Term 1840
Page 370
On the application of Melinda Wallace widow of Jame J. Wallace late ofsaid county deceased , and Robert M. Clark for the administration of theestate of said decedent; it is ordered b y the court that said MelindaWallace be appointed administratrix and Robert M. Clark adminis trator ofall and singular the goods and chattels, rights and credits of saiddecedent; and t hey having entered into bond with William H. Wallace andWilliam C. Guthrie as their securiti es, in the penal sum of four hundreddollars contitioned as the the law directs, and taken th e oath bystatute in each case made and provided; it is further ordered thatletters of admin istration issue to them accordingly.

On the application of Melinda Wallace administratrix and Robert M. Clarkadministrator of th e estate of James Wallace deceased; it is ordered bythe court that Leland Reynolds, Elliot . ..be appointed commissioners toappraise the personal property belonging to the estate of sai d decedentand that they make report of their proceedings on the premisses to thiscourt with in three months from the time.

On the application of Melinda Wallace administratrix and Robert M. Clarkadministrator of th e estate of James J. Wallace deceased; it is orderedby the court that they be permitted to s ell such of the personalproperty belonging to the estate of said decedent...

Enclosure 9 not scanned(to large) 
Ellen GUTHRIE
1217 [ToLem.ged]

See Wayne for notes: 
Emeline V. GUTHRIE
1218 [ToLem.ged]

Temperance married Philip Elrod. In the 1820 US census of AndersonCounty, Philip was head o f a family of a wife and three children. In1838-39 and in 1846 Rev. Philip Elrod was perform ing marrieages in theAnderson District. J.B. Guthre says the couple moved to Alabama, but didn't know when. 
Temperance GUTHRIE
1219 [ToLem.ged]

The descent of Nathaniel and Charles from Garrett is circumstantial.Some papers of the fami ly of Charles show his father to be a Garrett.Some say Garner. I believe the name Garne r came solely from theLaurence R. Guthrie book and he was probably incorrect.

There is no Garner Guthrie found in any records of the time. GarrettGuthrie is found at th e appropriate time and place. Only one Garrett isfound in the appropriate records. There i s a second Garrett Guthriefound in the Spartenburg area of SC. He may have been another so n ofthis Garrett. There is also an Absolum Guthrie found in the Person Co.,NC and Spartenb urg NC area that may be a forth son of Garrett. So theremay have been at least four sons t o Garrett Guthrie--Nathaniel, Charles,Absolum and Garrett.



The following from Carol Fichlin at mariah@sccoast.net

Larry,

This is the microfilm of the actual records--not a transcription--LDSfilm #0019591--I also h ave #0019592, but haven't looked through it yet.

The microfilm's title was "Court of Pleas", but it has Wills andInventories, Indentures, etc . and does include the Tax lists for severalyears. Some of the tax lists are divided into f our districts. TheGuthries are always in the Nash District.

The entry for 1794 looks like Going Guttridge to me--I made a copy andcan scan it for you i f you'd like to see what you think. There is anAllen Going listed two places above the G oing Guttridge.

I looked at the last part tonight and found a few more Guthrie entries:

Nash District 1796
Absolum Guttry Land = 250 White Polls = 1

Nash District 1797
Garrot Gutrey Land = 250 White Polls = 1

Nash District 1798
Absalom Gutrey Land = 250 White Polls = 1

Nash District 1799
Abolum Guttry Land = 250 White Polls = 1

Nash District 1800
Absolum Gutterey Land = 250 White Polls = 1

March Court 1799
29 December 1798
"Sold to the highest bidder by the Executor of George Eubanks, dec'dsundry articles......"
Several Eubanks listed and one James Guthrie bought 1 Whip Saw. (Firsttime I saw a James Gu thrie mentioned in any of these records.)

It's interesting to me that Absolum and Garrot are never listed togetherin any of these year s and they both have the same amount of land.

Let me know what you think. I'll send the John Warren will info a bitlater.
(Have to share the computer!)
Carol 
Garrett GUTHRIE
1220 [ToLem.ged]

The following from Clois King Wesley.
cwesley@ecol.net

Larry, I have been reading some old letters and information that was given
to me by Willie Gaiser Langford years ago. The following information was
written to Charles E. Gaisser, Jr, 3218 Conti Street, New Orleans, La.from
W. Earl Lair, Secy-Treas of THE GAISSER CLAN. "John David Gaisser, b.
January 1, 1796, Wurtemberg, Germany, m. May 18, 1825, d. October 3, 1871,
Burried Margerum Cemetery, Margerum, Ala. Spouse: Anne Maria Guthrie, b.
May 15, 1806, Halifax County, Virginia, d. November 13, 1889, Burried
Margerum Cemetery. Children: George Frederick, John Henry, WilliamCarrol,
Sarah Anne, b. July 12, 1843 d. October 2, 1843.

REMARKS: John David came to America on Sail Ship, my mother told me thathe
kept a diary of his trip to America, written in German. She remembered
seeing it...I do not know hat happened to the diary. John David came toNew
York, N.Y. in 1818, worked as an apprentice Blacksmith in Philadelphia,Pa.,
He came to Alabama 1821 and first settled in Lauderdale County in a German
Community, near Florence. Ala. He met Anne Maria Guthrie, part Indian(one
of Anne's uncles Herbert Lee was related to Gen. Robert E. Lee.) and they
were married May 18, 1825.

John david worked as Blacksmith and farmer, and February 5, 1830 he
purchased a farm 159 acres of land..Section 19 Lauderdale County. (It is
recorded in the Alabama State Tract Book page 175) This purchase wasamong
the first sales of land made by the state, from the Land Grant of the
Federal Government. I have been told that John D. was not satisfied with
the 159 acre farm...He felt like he was hemmed in and was unable topurchase
adjoining land to add to his acreage...because no one wanted to sell,every
one wanted to buy more land. So John David decided to sell his farm in
Lauderdale County and move across the Tennessee river into what was knownat
that time as Franklin County, a locality just west of Cherokee (Thiscounty
was later 1869 deivided to form Colbert County.) Here John David settled,
buying a section of land during the early 1830's. The family moved into
their newly built home on Christmas Eve Day 1838. This house over 100years
old was burned by a grass fire justrecently...I do not remember the exact
date but approximately 1962 or 63. It was constructed of huge, hand-hewn
logs taken from the place, had rock chimney at each end and a big hallway
baetween the two rooms. A kitchen was built nearby, and to virgin oaks
still stand in the yard, the last of a dozen such trees that shaded theyard
around the house. It was approximately 34 of mile from his son John Henry
Grisser's home.

My Mother told me that Great-grand-father, John David had a good manyslaves
to work on the farm, she did not know the exact number. He owned a
Blacksmith Shop situated on the home place and use to work for theneighbors
when he was not busy on his farm.

The War between the states claimed the life of his oldest son, George
Frederick, Sr. (See George Frederick's Branch.)........"

Also, Added with with letter is information concerning Alabama'sStatehood.
"John David arrived in alabama in 1821. The state was two years old whenhe
settled here. That has been 145 years ago. In 1817,william Wyatt Bibbwas
appointed Territorial Governor. Seven Counties were already in existence
before Alabama became a territory. They were Mobile, Baldwin, Washington,
Clarke, Madison, monroe and Montgomery. The Seat of Government was
temporarily fixed at St. Stephens. There was no capitol building and the
legislators met in the Douglass Hotel to begin their deliberations
concerning the future of the new territory. Fifteen new counties were
created in that first session. They were: Cotaco (now Morgan), Lawrence,
Franklin, Limestone, Lauderdale, Blount, Tuscaloosa, Marengo, Shelby, St.
Clair, Cahaba (Bibb), Dallas, Marion, Autauga and Conecuh.

Hopeful of admission to the union, leaders called for an election to beheld
in the summer of1819. Congress had given permission for a constitution to
be drafted. The territorial legislature determined how manyrepresnetatives
each county should have. There was much rivalry between North and South
Alabama at that time and a compromise between representatives of the twoara
resulted in the following decisions: Representation should b according to
porpulation, which was 127,901. The capital should be located in South
Alabama,but while the capitol was being consructed, a temporary capital
should be located in North Alabama at Huntsville.

William Wyatt Bibb defeated Marmaduke Williams and was inaugurated as the
first governor on Novembaer 8, l819 in Huntsville. The new legislature
established six new counties: Greene, Jerrerson, Perry, Henry, Wilcox and
Butler.

The history of the state has been made up of deeds of thousands of men and
women who have worked unselfishly and wisely to make the state great. John
David Gaisser's offsprings are still carrying on this tradition."

I am not sure if the above is of any help to you. However, in the papers
Willie Gaiser Langford was more information on John David Gaisser. Youmay
have most of this:

"John David Gaisser, Birthdate, Januay 1 1797, place, Freudenstadt,Germany;
Died: October , 1871, Buried: Margerum, Ala. 10:40a.m. SPOUSE'" NAME:Anne
Maria Guthrie, Birth May 15, 1806; Place Halifax County, Virginia, Date
Married was May 18, 1825. Did November 13, 1889, Buried 1:00pm, November
15, at Margerum. Bro. Shumac peached funeral at the Old Liber Church,known
now as the Margerum Methodist.

Children: George Frederick, Born February 18, 1826; Died September 27,1863
John Henry; Born December 5, 1830, Died July 16, 1912
William Carrol; Born January 25, 1833; Died December 29 1878
Sarah Anne; Born July 12, 1843; Died October 2 1843.

REMARKS: John David came to USA and landed at New York, N.Y. in 1818 and
worked as a blacksmith apprentice in Philadelphia, penna. until he movedto
Lauderdale County, Ala., a community near Florence, Ala. Where therewere a
good many German Immigrants living. John D was opposed to comulsory
military training in Germany, probably had something to do with hiswanting
to come to U.S.S.

The first three children born in Lauderdale County, Sara Anne born in
Franklin Co. In 1869 the northern part of Franklin was separated to forma
new county which was called Colbert Couny. Frankfort, County seat of
Franklin. Tuscumbia County Set Colbert. John D. Gasser's old home isstill
standing near Margerum, Alabama. Built 1861. Now over 100 year old."
Evidently this was written before John David's house burned. At the time
this was written and given to Wille Gaiser, Earl Lair, son of Margaret
Gaisser Lair, was the Secretary-Treasurer of the Gaisser Clan. I remember
when the Gaisser's of Alabama came to Tyler, Texas, I believe every other
year to have their reunions. Every other year they were in Alabama.Willie
Gaiser Langford went every time. She died in 1991. All the Gaiser's in
Tyler Spelled their name with one s. I don't know who this started with.
Some said it started with John David Gaisser. I went to one of their
reunions when I lived in Tyler. However at that time I was't into
genealogy. I became interested in 1969 and was so fortunate that Aunt
Willie gave me lots of copies of the Gaiser's. I hope this informationwill
help you in locating your lines. I checked with John MacKenzie Websiteand
he does have a lot of information. I haven't had time to write it alldown.
I was going to print it but it came out too dark. Thank you for youre-mai
and if I can help you, please let me know. Sincerely, Clois King Wesley.


Notes:

The 1840 Federal Census lists John D. Guizer (Gaisser) as a resident of
Franklin Co., AL. The records indicate that the household contained the
following individuals.

Males:
1 between the ages of 5-9
2 between the ages of 10-14
1 between the ages of 40-49

Females:
1 between the ages of 30-39

Male Slaves:
1 between the ages of 10-23
1 between the ages of 24-35

Female Slaves:
1 between the ages of 24-35

The 1850 Federal Census lists John Guizer (Gaisser) as a 51 year old white
male in Franklin Co., AL. (He lived in the part of Franklin Co., that
later became Colbert Co. ) His occupation is listed as farmer. The place
of his birth is listed as Germany. Value of real estate owned is listedat
$2000.

The following is also given:

Anna female 43 years old. POB Virginia
John male 20 years old. POB Tennessee
William male 18 years old. POB Tennessee
Geo. F. male 24 years old. POB Tennessee
Mary female 20 years old. POB Tennessee
John male 1 year old. POB Tennessee

1850 Federal Census, State of Alabama, Franklin Co., District 5

The 1850 Slave Schedules give the following information:

Slave Number 1--65 year old black male
Slave Number 2-20 year old white female, listed as a "Fugitive from the
State"
Slave Number 3-20 year old black male
Slave Number 4-1year old white male, listed as a "Fugitive from the State"
Slave Number 5-48 year old black female

The 1860 Federal Census list John D. Guisser (Gaisser) as a 61 year old
white male residing in Franklin Co., AL, and the value of his real estate
is listed as $6000. His personal estate was listed at $4000. JohnGaissers
place of birth is recorded as Germany.

The recorded year of marriage is 1823, and his wife's name is Ann M.
Gaisser.
Also given:
Anna Gaisser female 54 years old. POB Virginia
John H. Gaisser male 30 years old. POB Alabama
Geo. F. Gaisser male 34 years old. POB Alabama
Mary Gaisser female 29 years old. POB Alabama
Elizabeth A. Gaisser female 11 years old. POB Alabama
Adam P. Gaisser male 10 years old. POB Alabama
Geo. F. Gaisser male 6 years old. POB Alabama
Josaphine Gaisser female 2 years old. POB Alabama

1860 Federal Census, State of Alabama, Western Division, Franklin County
page 37, Post Office of Buzzard Roost.

The 1870 Federal Census list John Gizer (Gaisser) as a 74 year old while
male, with an occupation of farmer. The census records state that bothhis
father and mother were of foreign birth. The valuse of his real estate is
listed as $1000, and his personal estate value is set at $500.

Other information provided:

Anna Gaisser female 63 years old. POB Virginia
William Gaisser male 36 years old. POB Alabama
Amanda Gaisser female 38 years old. POB Alabama
John Gaisser male 9 years old. POB Alabama

1870 Federal Census, State of Alabama, Colbert County. Page 15, Township 3
Range 14


From Colbert County, Alabama Will Abstracts, Will Book A, 1867-1903
Gaisser, John David (p. 32-33) ...State of Alabama, ColbertCounty...I...unto my beloved daug hter-in-law Mary A. Gaisser and herchildren the heirs of my son George F. Gaisser deceased , the followingtract of land...to my son John Henry Gaisser the following...land...andto m y son Wm Carroll Gaisser...land...My homestead...which I have givento my son Wm Carroll Gais ser is to be a home and support for my wifeduring her natural life, Lastly...appoint Barto n Dickson to be theexecutor...signed 25 Sept 1871 John David (his x mark) Gaisser. Witness: Frank Wallace, Robert Guthrie, and Thomas S. Grisham. Probated 21 Oct1871 by the testimon y of Frank Wallace, Robert Guthrie, and Thomas S.Grisham before A. W. Ligon, Judge. 
Johannes David GAISSER
1221 [ToLem.ged]

The information on the Link family comes from:

James Bostick Morse
8065 Ashley Dr.
Olive Branch, MS 38654

jbmobm@juno.com 
John LINK
1222 [ToLem.ged]

The information on the Sandlin family comes from two sources:

initially from my uncle Ottis(Noble O. Guthrie).

and then from Judson F. Sandlin, 117 Park Circle, Florence, AL35630. There is a famil y (Sandlin) reunion the last weekend in July inNE Alabama. Date on this information is 1997 . 
James SANDLIN
1223 [ToLem.ged]

The Middleneck Guthrie's

In many genealogical surveys the geographical units are the county. In the case of the early Guthrie's in the area between the Rappahannock andYork Rivers in Virginia it is virtuall y impossible to talk about a particular Guthrie as being from one county or another. The county boundaries don't seem to have been very well defined. At this point it doesn't appear that the exact early boundaries of the counties in the middleneck area are known. Also new counties in this area were always formed from an earlier larger county. This often happened several times, so that one Guthrie may have lived in 3 or more counties and neve rmoved. This apparently has led the researchers that came before me to conclude there were more Guthrie families than there is any evidence for. In fact each time I restudy the available records I become more convinced that all Guthrie's of that time and place descend from a JohnGuthrie found in the York County, VA court records in 1656.

Charles River County was formed in 1634 from a wide area on both sides of the Charles. All desscriptions of the territory included, that I have found, are rather vague. My best guess is that when created Charles River County included everything from the Rappahannock to the York Rivers. In 1642 the name of both river and county was changed to York to honor James, Duke of York and son of Charles I. Other counties weres ubsequently formed from it.

Lancaster County, located in the Virginia Tidewater was created 1652 from Northumberland and York County and named for Lancaster, England. At the time of it's creation it comprised land on both sides of the Rappahannock River. In 1656, the upper portion of the county was cut off to form "Old" Rappahannock County (present day Essex and Richmond counties). It's present day boundaries were established in 1669 when Middlesex County was created from the portion of Lancaster County west of the Rappahannock river.

It appears to me that the area from west of the Dragon Run to the Rappahannock River was in the counties of Charles, York, Lancaster,"Old" Rappahannock and finally Middlesex Counties . Thus a Guthrie that was described as being from several of these areas in all likelyhood wasn't moving around, the description of his home was being changed. Nor are we speaking about several different Guthrie's.


John Guthrie is found in the following 3 York Co., VA count records.

1. The York County court records show that on 22 February 1657 John Guthrie owed the estate of Daniel Tucker.

2. And on 6 Jan 1658 John Guthrie is on a York County jury to determine the cause of death of William Dowthwogt. (My note: it was determined that William got drunk, passed out and lying on his back suffocated in his own vomit)

3. The following deposition was recorded with the original spelling and punctuation. Note that Guthrie is spelled two different ways in the same document. I originally found the record in a book called Virginia Will Records in the OKC Historical Society Library. Their call number was F 225 V94 1982

The deposicon of John Guthrey aged 22 years or thereabouts. Saith that inAo. 1656 this depon't did set up Caske for Mr Tho; Bushrod & came to his house about 2 or 3 dayes after yt Richar d Barkshyre his overseer was gone to Mrs. Colborne's wedding at Pyanketanke, there I heard him complayne of Richard Barkshyre for leaving his cropp in ye chiefest time of his cropp being att topping time, & for deglecting to build a tobaccoe house yt hee was to build for him & yt his cropp did suffer very much for want of ye house.

John Guthrie
Jur. in Cur. 20 Dec 1658

Piankatank (Pyanketanke) Parish was no doubt in existance at least as early as 1652 when Lancaster county was formed. It only existed from the formation of Lancaster County until the formation of Middlesex county in 1669. Middlesex had three parishes; Upper, Middlesex and Lower. I believe Piankatank Parish became the Upper Parish of Middlesex county at the time of th formation of that county. The Upper Parishwas located where Church View is presently locaeted. Since the only parish records of this area that have survived are the Christ Church Middlesex County Parish records there are no church records for Guthries prior to the following in 1683;

"Henry Guthridge ye son of John and Rebea Guthridge baptz. 5 of August1683".
I have found a record of the importation of this Guthridge. He is not a Guthrie.

From an (Old) Rappahannock County Deed Book 1656-1664 Part II.

p. 329 Capt. Guttrees Account given: (missing) this Court by Capt.(missing) 4 basketts at 30 pr peice; 3 Otter skins at 50 pr peice; 3Foxes at 10 a peice: 46 Mushratts skins at 5 ps ; 6 Voltons (?) at 10 apeice. This Account is sworne to (missing) and owned to be received by the sd Guttree of Capt. Fleming
J0. Mastone
Jur in Cur: Com Rappa 18 die Januarry 1664

Lancaster Co., Court Records 1666-1680
Lancaster County Court

p. 110 12 May 1669 Capt. Guttrey being arrested to this court at ye suite of Mr. Sam Partridge for two men servants and not appearing to ans. sde suite and the sher not taking Security according to acte is granted ag the sher. upon whose requist, attachmt according to acte is granted against ye said Guttrie.

p. 117 14 of July 1669 It appearing to this Cort. by sufficient Oath that John guttrey stands indebted unto Benoni Biship for 48 gall of tarr at 10lb. p. gall It is ordered that ye same bee forthwith paide with costs

As stated above Lancaster County originally included land on both sides of the Rappahannock River. And the upper portion cut off to form (Old)Rappahannock County. Even when there is no question today into which county a records belongs, early records were often recorded in the wrong county. A single event has been recorded in two different county's recordbooks. Some times record books were passed to the newly formed county and sometimes they were not.

A 15-year project by Drs. Darrett B. and Anita Rutman, Dept. of History,University of New Hampshire, resulted in computerizing data from early Middlesex Co., VA. Their 1984 book, published by W. W. Norton, titled "A Place in Time: Middlesex Co. 1650-1750," provided
insights into the early families of that county; and their original database, including over 12,000 data-oriented biographies, was given to the Virginia Historical Society. In 1668 there were 83 households in Middlesex Co., VA with a total population of 912 persons of which 334 were white servants and 65 were black.

Taking the above into account and also taking into account when and how the counties in question were formed it seems likely that all the above references to a John Guthrie could have easily been and in fact probably are about one person living on the middle peninsula south of the Rappahannock River and in or close to the area that later became Middlesex County. Also probably very close to the Dragon Run.

At this point there is nothing to tie the John Guthrie found above to any of the later Guthrie's. However it seems probably that he was the one and only emigrant to the Middleneck area . I believe(no proof) that he and the John Guthrie that married Elizabeth Baskett are one and the same. I also believe (again no proof) that he was married previous to his marriage to Elizabeth and that he had at least two son's probably three from this earlier marriage. James, Edward and William. There may never be a way to prove this. However until someone can show me different, I'll believe that all of the Guthrie's of King and Queen, Middlesex, and Glouchester Counties are descendants of the one John outlined above. The John Guthrie found living on the Poropatank River may or may not be from the same line. I have never identified any living members of this line. John Pollard Guthrie was a descendent of this line. 
John GUTHRIE
1224 [ToLem.ged]

They moved to Rutherford Co., NC and later settled in Cherokee Co., GA
They had 9 children 
Richard BOSTICK
1225 [ToLem.ged]

This marriage recorded in the Middlesex Co., VA Christ Church ParishRegister. There were n o children recorded for this marriage. 
Sara STIFF
1226 [ToLem.ged]

Wayne

Henry bought land in Bedford County, Tennessee and then moved to HaywoodCounty. The 1820 U S census of Haywood County lists him as the head of afamily of four boys, but no girls and n o wife. He lived in ShelbyCounty, in 1837, when he sold his share of his father's estate. 
Henry BOOTH
1227 [ToLem.ged]

Wayne
Benjamin was married and had two children when the US census of 1820 wastaken in Haywood Cou nty, Tennessee. He was still in Haywood County whenhe sold his share of his father's estat e in 1837. 
Benjamin BOOTH
1228 [ToLem.ged]

Wayne
James lived in Haywood County, Tennessee, in 1837 when he sold his sahreof his father's land . He had five children in the census of 1820 
James BOOTH
1229 [ToLem.ged]

Wayne's manuscript.

On October 27, 1785 Daniel French signed a petition to set up a newcounty south of the Staun ton River from the territory of Hedford andHenry Counties. The same petiiton was signed b y Daniel's father-in-law,Henry Guthrie, and by three of his brothers-in-law; James, David an dJohn Guthrie. Therefore it is likely that Daniel and Ann French lived inthat part of Bedf ord County that was to become Franklin County in early1786. In the 1800 personal property t ax list of Franklin County, DanielFrench was listed as having one free tithable and two hors es.

On September 27, 1802 this couple sold 91 acres of land in the Hail'sFord neighborhood in Fr anklin Co. The French family left Virginia aboutthis time and it is not known reliably the y settled. A possibility isHarrison County, Indiana, where a Daniel French is listed the th e 1830US census. age 70-79, with three boys and a girl. In the same censusrecord an Ann Fr ench is listed as being in the age group of 50-59, withone male child, age 20-29. This reco rd is reasonably consistent withAnn's possible birth date. More significant is an entry i n the 1850 UScensus of Harrison County where an Ann French is listed as age 83, bornin Virg inia and living in the household of Wm. D. Little, whose wife,Sophia, was born in Kentucky i n 1809. the birthdate of this Ann Frenchwould be very consistente with the possible birth-d ate of Ann Guthrie. 
Daniel FRENCH
1230 [ToLem.ged]

William Harris Wallace is believed buried in the Margerum, AlabamaCemetery. R09-21
Eliza his wife is probably buried next to him, R09-20. These stone iseither missing or unre adable. 
William Harrison WALLACE

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